A report yesterday on our part on the panel discussion is to come, enough interesting has come to light ...
A video recording of the panel discussion , at least the first hour will still appear last night on youtube. More pictures to come hopefully in a few days.
OTZ and TLZ write anything.
JenaTV sent today evening, 18 clock it. Every person who was there will say that this report (as in the usual channels) was reduced more than. Of the strikers, we learn virtually nothing about the many sources of criticisms and ideas. Instead, in their own words, the long vacuous excesses of the 'red tape' are summarized so that the 'decision makers' appear benevolent, dutiful and reasonable and make it so much, while the squatters so disturbed only the teaching environment.
such poor journalism prepared people are to herein hardly provide, however:
Campus TV is also presented with a report.
Here two items: the free (t) spaces and jenanews.de
The articles of the open spaces (t) :
Grinseköpfe and Arschkriecher
9th December 2009
in General
noon today took place in the lecture hall Döbereiner a panel discussion with representatives of the UniBesetzerInnen, representatives of Unileitung (Rector and Vice-President), Stura, FSR Representative and the Secretary of State Thomas Deufel instead. Was prompted by its continuing occupation and the requirements of education strikers. There are about 100 to 150 people involved in the discussion.
Unileitung gleamed and Secretary of State is to deny any responsibility for the botched situation. Have alleged Rector thickness, among other things, he had played no role in implementation. This raises the question what he then made in his time at Bertelsmann and the HRK. Also, a general social context of educational problems by Secretary of State, and FSR Unileitung representative was denied again and again. In terms of employment and education, the commodification of Unileitung also seems a more than strange picture to have. Thus the criticism of precarious employment (based on the article jw) strictly rejected, claiming that there was supposedly this latest decision. On the subject of commodification and the associated criticism of the alleged Unirat thickness, business representatives at the university had no control. They would only for the "commercial Restructuring of the management books provide. Even in research funds for "excellence" (not about teaching) thickness provides no problem. That this external funding is almost exclusively come from the business for him, seemingly irrelevant.
was further from the Unileitung and the State Secretary pointed out time and again to the lack of money, so now the administrative fee would not get worse. It was referred to the University of Bamberg, which indeed would have 20 million (!) € more because it charges tuition fees. Should introduce some of the indirect call may be tuition fees in Thuringia? What is the better and the country Unileitung probably not?
Deufel said then, how great it is that by studying the Bolognaprozes more and more high school graduates. Unfortunately, he forgot completely missing the living room and the congested universities. Also, the lack of teaching staff appeared in his speech does not occur. He also pushed the increase in student numbers on the Bologna process. He noted the federal government also indirectly failure on full line. It probably had to first get the EU to "correct" the botched education (whose meaning is in another story). He also claimed, who had studied bachelor and master even more for a semester as a former master's students available. But he forgets that most of the bachelor graduates will take up probably never a master's degree, as neither the capacity nor the Konsekutivität is given.
The demand for more democracy in the universities was dismissed with reference to the existing bodies and the ominous "Bolognatag. The existing bodies to a large extent not give instructions and also relatively transparent work seems Unileitung either not known to be or she sees no reason to change.
the squatters represented on the podium at this point is no criticism to make. Although it was the start of discussions, where a split within the squatters so that some only a written Statement rumreichten and not participating in the discussion. Reason for this was that the discussion is not among the necessary conditions took place, and that thickness (correctly) acts as an illegitimate representative.
To sum up the whole event described as a farce. The representatives of the Unileitung Deufel and indulged in self-congratulation, as they hurled critical questions with reference to the lack of time or choking off empty words in the room. The representatives of these bodies was practicing hard in the ass and called creep, for example, on the institutional channels to cooperate with the university. In addition, solutions according to him quickly and "efficiently" be found. Furthermore, he asked the student representatives indirectly represents the only legitimate representative of the students might not be as articulate students organize themselves and come to solutions.
The references of the squatters that the requirements would be implemented on a democratic basis and not from above, were dismissed so that democracy and decision-making now takes place in time (non-transparent) bodies.
The panel discussion has shown once again that the Unileitung is not willing to cooperate in a direct, grassroots way, with dedicated students. Instead, had problems in bodies that ultimately express only totzuquatschen recommendations.
For basisdemoratische restructuring of all educational institutions! Never again
Unirat! Never again Rector!
Here is the article by jenanews.de
education strike: Much discussion needs
Thursday 10 December 2009, at 12:01
In Jena on Wednesday afternoon for the first time several student representatives and representatives of the university and the policies expressed in a public panel discussion.
A debate has hardly taken place. The parties have instead passed the buck around and pointed the guilt. The start of the event raised hopes of an active Exchange. The seven speakers were mixed, contrary to its position on the merits, not on a particular side of the podium place, but were confused. So dare Professor Kurt-Dieter Koschmieder, Vice President for Academic and structure at the university, between the protesters and Kirsten Limbecker Stura member Jörg Hänold.
was quick, however, that the parties hardly spoke to each other. Arguments were put forward to the next minute again from the opposite side with a "but" abgeschmettert to be.
The two students from among the squatters complained the entire auditorium Bologna Process. "The ideal of a functioning Bologna reform a soap bubble, "said the protester Tobias. A bachelor's degree is no scope for individual design and put the students under enormous pressure to perform. The new Secretary of Science and former Jena Professor Thomas Deufel (SPD) announced that changes were needed. He referred to the first educational policies of the government: The administrative fee has been abolished since Tuesday, and a first degree is free of charge in Thuringia. University Rector Professor Klaus Dicke was the hardly add anything. But he stressed repeatedly that the implementation of the Bologna reforms are student representatives were involved. "These are still in the university policy involved, "he said.
The keyword of participation in higher education attacked the student speakers at you. They look quite a student participation, but without real participation. "The student bodies have neither a vote nor a veto," criticized Tobias and his running mate, Kirsten added: "The university is only determined by economic interests." Rector thickness rejected that accusation.
gave to Vice President Koschmieder that "significant deficiencies" give the Bologna Process. University and students have not been known in the implementation of the reform, which actually means Bologna. He called it addition, the government indirectly, make the universities more money. "In Bavaria, a University of tuition fees EUR 20 million more a year than we have. This must balance the government. "
Matt Haberland, a representative of all student representatives at the FSU Jena called for, not to speak too long about the problems, but to act quickly. "Many students depend, for example, currently legal in the air, because for some courses are still no final examination regulations," he said.
common objectives at the panel discussion could not be worked out. For a non-involved Audience was sometimes unclear what arguments he is to be believed. It should be further discussed. Professor Dick welcomed the proposal of the objectors to establish a round table. Enough talk about is certainly there.
text: Ina Schwansen
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